A travel expert’s secrets for inexpensive luxury trips
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<p>Brian Kelly, founder of the Points Guy, has made a career out of helping people travel using credit-card points and frequent-flyer miles. His readers have taken trips across the globe, flown first class, and stayed in five-star hotels — all using rewards. Kelly is out now with a new book, <a href="https://books.apple.com/us/book/how-to-win-at-travel/id6503703617" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>How to Win at Travel</em></a>, which details travel advice that goes beyond points and miles. He spoke with <em>Apple News In Conversation </em>host Shumita Basu about ways to make your next trip easier and more affordable.</p>
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