#438 – Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity

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<p>Elon Musk is CEO of Neuralink, SpaceX, Tesla, xAI, and CTO of X. DJ Seo is COO &#38; President of Neuralink. Matthew MacDougall is Head Neurosurgeon at Neuralink. Bliss Chapman is Brain Interface Software Lead at Neuralink. Noland Arbaugh is the first human to have a Neuralink device implanted in his brain.</p> <p><strong>Transcript</strong>: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/elon-musk-and-neuralink-team-transcript">https://lexfridman.com/elon-musk-and-neuralink-team-transcript</a></p> <p><strong>Please support this podcast </strong>by checking out our sponsors<strong>:</strong><br /> <a href="https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep438-sc">https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep438-sc</a></p> <p><strong>SPONSOR DETAILS:</strong><br /> &#8211; <b>Cloaked</b>: <a href="https://cloaked.com/lex">https://cloaked.com/lex</a> and use code LexPod to get 25% off<br /> &#8211; <b>MasterClass</b>: <a href="https://masterclass.com/lexpod">https://masterclass.com/lexpod</a> to get 15% off<br /> &#8211; <b>Notion</b>: <a href="https://notion.com/lex">https://notion.com/lex</a><br /> &#8211; <b>LMNT</b>: <a href="https://drinkLMNT.com/lex">https://drinkLMNT.com/lex</a> to get free sample pack<br /> &#8211; <b>Motific</b>: <a href="https://motific.ai">https://motific.ai</a><br /> &#8211; 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On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time.<br /> (00:00) &#8211; Introduction<br /> (09:26) &#8211; Elon Musk<br /> (12:42) &#8211; Telepathy<br /> (19:22) &#8211; Power of human mind<br /> (23:49) &#8211; Future of Neuralink<br /> (29:04) &#8211; Ayahuasca<br /> (38:33) &#8211; Merging with AI<br /> (43:21) &#8211; xAI<br /> (45:34) &#8211; Optimus<br /> (52:24) &#8211; Elon&#8217;s approach to problem-solving<br /> (1:09:59) &#8211; History and geopolitics<br /> (1:14:30) &#8211; Lessons of history<br /> (1:18:49) &#8211; Collapse of empires<br /> (1:26:32) &#8211; Time<br /> (1:29:14) &#8211; Aliens and curiosity<br /> (1:36:48) &#8211; DJ Seo<br /> (1:44:57) &#8211; Neural dust<br /> (1:51:40) &#8211; History of brain–computer interface<br /> (1:59:44) &#8211; Biophysics of neural interfaces<br /> (2:10:12) &#8211; How Neuralink works<br /> (2:16:03) &#8211; Lex with Neuralink implant<br /> (2:36:01) &#8211; Digital telepathy<br /> (2:47:03) &#8211; Retracted threads<br /> (2:52:38) &#8211; Vertical integration<br /> (2:59:32) &#8211; Safety<br /> (3:09:27) &#8211; Upgrades<br /> (3:18:30) &#8211; Future capabilities<br /> (3:47:46) &#8211; Matthew MacDougall<br /> (3:53:35) &#8211; Neuroscience<br /> (4:00:44) &#8211; Neurosurgery<br /> (4:11:48) &#8211; Neuralink surgery<br /> (4:30:57) &#8211; Brain surgery details<br /> (4:46:40) &#8211; Implanting Neuralink on self<br /> (5:02:34) &#8211; Life and death<br /> (5:11:54) &#8211; Consciousness<br /> (5:14:48) &#8211; Bliss Chapman<br /> (5:28:04) &#8211; Neural signal<br /> (5:34:56) &#8211; Latency<br /> (5:39:36) &#8211; Neuralink app<br /> (5:44:17) &#8211; Intention vs action<br /> (5:55:31) &#8211; Calibration<br /> (6:05:03) &#8211; Webgrid<br /> (6:28:05) &#8211; Neural decoder<br /> (6:48:40) &#8211; Future improvements<br /> (6:57:36) &#8211; Noland Arbaugh<br /> (6:57:45) &#8211; Becoming paralyzed<br /> (7:11:20) &#8211; First Neuralink human participant<br /> (7:15:21) &#8211; Day of surgery<br /> (7:33:08) &#8211; Moving mouse with brain<br /> (7:58:27) &#8211; Webgrid<br /> (8:06:28) &#8211; Retracted threads<br /> (8:14:53) &#8211; App improvements<br /> (8:21:38) &#8211; Gaming<br /> (8:32:36) &#8211; Future Neuralink capabilities<br /> (8:35:31) &#8211; Controlling Optimus robot<br /> (8:39:53) &#8211; God<br /> (8:41:58) &#8211; Hope</p>