#381 – Chris Lattner: Future of Programming and AI

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<p>Chris Lattner is a legendary software and hardware engineer, leading projects at Apple, Tesla, Google, SiFive, and Modular AI, including the development of Swift, LLVM, Clang, MLIR, CIRCT, TPUs, and Mojo. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:<br /> &#8211; <b>iHerb</b>: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/iherb">https://lexfridman.com/iherb</a> and use code LEX to get 22% off your order<br /> &#8211; <b>Numerai</b>: <a href="https://numer.ai/lex">https://numer.ai/lex</a><br /> &#8211; <b>InsideTracker</b>: <a href="https://insidetracker.com/lex">https://insidetracker.com/lex</a> to get 20% off</p> <p><b>EPISODE LINKS:</b><br /> Chris&#8217;s Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/clattner_llvm">https://twitter.com/clattner_llvm</a><br /> Chris&#8217;s Website: <a href="http://nondot.org/sabre/">http://nondot.org/sabre/</a><br /> Mojo programming language: <a href="https://www.modular.com/mojo">https://www.modular.com/mojo</a><br /> Modular AI: <a href="https://modular.com/">https://modular.com/</a></p> <p><b>PODCAST INFO:</b><br /> Podcast website: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/podcast">https://lexfridman.com/podcast</a><br /> Apple Podcasts: <a href="https://apple.co/2lwqZIr">https://apple.co/2lwqZIr</a><br /> Spotify: <a href="https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8">https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8</a><br /> RSS: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/">https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/</a><br /> YouTube Full Episodes: <a href="https://youtube.com/lexfridman">https://youtube.com/lexfridman</a><br /> YouTube Clips: <a href="https://youtube.com/lexclips">https://youtube.com/lexclips</a></p> <p><b>SUPPORT &#38; CONNECT:</b><br /> &#8211; Check out the sponsors above, it&#8217;s the best way to support this podcast<br /> &#8211; Support on Patreon: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman">https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman</a><br /> &#8211; Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/lexfridman">https://twitter.com/lexfridman</a><br /> &#8211; Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman">https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman</a><br /> &#8211; LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman">https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman</a><br /> &#8211; Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman">https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman</a><br /> &#8211; Medium: <a href="https://medium.com/@lexfridman">https://medium.com/@lexfridman</a></p> <p><b>OUTLINE:</b><br /> Here&#8217;s the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time.<br /> (00:00) &#8211; Introduction<br /> (06:38) &#8211; Mojo programming language<br /> (16:55) &#8211; Code indentation<br /> (25:22) &#8211; The power of autotuning<br /> (35:12) &#8211; Typed programming languages<br /> (51:56) &#8211; Immutability<br /> (1:04:14) &#8211; Distributed deployment<br /> (1:38:41) &#8211; Mojo vs CPython<br /> (1:54:30) &#8211; Guido van Rossum<br /> (2:01:31) &#8211; Mojo vs PyTorch vs TensorFlow<br /> (2:04:55) &#8211; Swift programming language<br /> (2:10:27) &#8211; Julia programming language<br /> (2:15:32) &#8211; Switching programming languages<br /> (2:24:58) &#8211; Mojo playground<br /> (2:29:48) &#8211; Jeremy Howard<br /> (2:40:34) &#8211; Function overloading<br /> (2:48:59) &#8211; Error vs Exception<br /> (2:56:39) &#8211; Mojo roadmap<br /> (3:09:41) &#8211; Building a company<br /> (3:21:27) &#8211; ChatGPT<br /> (3:27:50) &#8211; Danger of AI<br /> (3:31:44) &#8211; Future of programming<br /> (3:35:01) &#8211; Advice for young people</p>