Esther Perel on the Passage from Pain to Pleasure and Risk Taking | Fashion Neurosis

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Esther Perel is a psychotherapist and author, recognized as one of today’s most insightful and original voices on modern relationships. Fluent in nine languages, she helms a therapy practice in New York City, serves as an organizational consultant for Fortune 500 companies, and is an advisor to both Hinge and Culture Amp on the intricacies of human connection. Esther was born and raised in Antwerp, Belgium, the daughter of two Polish Jewish Holocaust survivors who owned a clothing shop. She gained a Masters degree from Lesley University in Expressive Art Therapy in the 1980s, and has lived in the United States with her partner, Jack Saul, for more than 40 years. Her celebrated TED Talks have garnered millions of views, and her bestselling books, Mating in Captivity and The State of Affairs, are global phenomena which have been translated into more than 30 languages. Perel is also the host of the hit podcast Where Should We Begin?, which has captivated millions of listeners around the world for nearly a decade. In this episode of Fashion Neurosis, Bella Freud and Esther Perel discuss Perel’s childhood in her parents’ clothing shop, the rules of dressing as a therapist, and fragile masculinity. Esther Perel’s podcast Where Should We Begin? can be found on Spotify and Apple Podcasts, and her Substack is Entre Nous, estherperel.substack.com This is the last of our Fashion Neurosis in New York series - see you next time. Part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Chapters: 00:00:00 Intro 00:00:24 What are you wearing today? 00:02:28 Therapising men 00:08:10 Esther’s appearance 00:11:29 Childhood and clothing 00:13:50 Esther’s mother 00:17:20 Mother figures 00:20:59 Patients clothing 00:24:00 Risk taking in dressing 00:26:44 Style inspirations 00:29:03 Men’s clothing 00:32:17 Erotic formula 00:39:00 The importance of vanity 00:44:37 If you fancy someone… 00:48:20 Parents expectations and grief 00:52:46 Esther’s husband Jack Saul 00:57:25 Transition from girl to woman 01:06:11 Outro